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Osnabrück 8 will take place at the Intevation offices in Osnabrück from Friday, January 8th 2010, to Sunday, January 10th.
The annual [[KDE_PIM/Meetings|KDE PIM Meeting]] Osnabrück 8 took place at the Intevation offices in Osnabrück from Friday, January 8th 2010, to Sunday, January 10th.


== Location / Travel Information ==
== Location / Travel Information ==
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Non-locals, please add your travel details and accomodation needs (Do you want to '''share''' a double room with somebody?) to the following table.
Non-locals, please add your travel details and accomodation needs (Do you want to '''share''' a double room with somebody?) to the following table.


'''13''' participants (2010-01-05):
'''15''' participants (2010-01-05):


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| David Jarvie
| David Jarvie
| Friday afternoon
| Friday, 18:06, by train
| Sunday evening
| Sunday, 13:53, by train
| yes
| yes
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| No thanks
| No thanks
|-
|-
| "The" Georg Greve
| Georg Greve
| Tuesday, 5 Jan
| Tuesday, 5 Jan
| Some time
| Some time
| No thanks
| No thanks
|-
| Bernhard Reiter
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| (resident)
|-
| Björn Ricks
|
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| (resident)
|-
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** KMail data/config migration to Akonadi
** KMail data/config migration to Akonadi
** Identifying other critical parts for 4.5
** Identifying other critical parts for 4.5
** What do we do with bugs/wishes of the pre-Akonadi apps?
* Making (more) use of CDash
* Making (more) use of CDash
** my.cdash.org
** my.cdash.org
** fix our unit tests
** fix our unit tests
** integration into our workflow (eg. subscribing kde-pim to build errors?)
** integration into our workflow (eg. subscribing kde-pim to build errors?)
* Planning the 4.5 development cycle
** depend on kdelibs trunk or 4.4?
* as much discussions, reviews, and presentations as possible
* as much discussions, reviews, and presentations as possible
* Parenting of Akonadi::Items
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/26669
** Potentially implementable generically
** Lots of issues related to multiple possible parents for emails for example.
*** The agent can not just pick one item as the parent if you get duplicate mails for example.
* Brainstorming for Summer of Code ideas


== Agenda ==
== Agenda ==
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=== Saturday ===
=== Saturday ===
08:00 Breakfast
09:00 Meet and work


10:00 [[#qtcreator_bof]]
10:00 [[#qtcreator_bof]]


Meet and work
11:00 Kolab Konsortium projects for this year (Bernhard)
 
12:30 Lunch
 
14:00 Group photo
 
14:10 Syncing (Patrick)
 
16:00 Planning for 4.5 / 4.6
 
18:00 KDE PIM Marketing


19:00 Dinner in restaurant "Planeta Sol" (Brazilian), Bergstraße 8 (VHS building)
19:00 Dinner in restaurant "Planeta Sol" (Brazilian), Bergstraße 8 (VHS building)


=== Sunday ===


=== Sunday ===


Work and departure
08:00 Breakfast
 
09:00 Begin
 
10:00 CDash
 
10:45 GSoC brainstorming
 
12:30 Lunch
 
== Meeting Minutes ==
 
 
=== Kolab Konsortium projects ===
 
==== 2008: Enterprise4 ====
 
* Port of Kontact to KDE 4 running on Linux, Mac OS X (Beta), Windows (Beta); here Beta refers to readiness for production use in enterprises
* the latest release was in December 2009
* Kontact for Windows can be downloaded at http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/Client_windows_kontact
 
==== 2009: Prototype Enterprise5 ====
 
* Development of a prototype of Kontact based on Akonadi
* Funding for the development of the final product has not yet been secured
 
==== 2010: Komo3 -> Enterprise 5 ====
 
* Development/Port of Kontact (Enterprise5 version) to N900 (prototype) and a Windows Mobile 6.5 device (production quality), the device is not yet fixed, maybe an htc touch pro2. More than 80% of the code is expected to be ths same for all five platforms.
 
 
=== Release Plans ===
 
==== KDE SC 4.4 ====
 
* in deep freeze
* KAddressBook based on Akonadi and Nepomuk
 
==== KDE SC 4.5 ====
 
* will probably be released in August 2010; feature freeze will be in April or May
* Goal: KMail, KOrganizer, KJots and probably also Akregator based on Akonadi and Nepomuk
* Akonadi-ports branch will be merged to trunk very soon (next week); most serious open issue: migration of old mail storage; combined maildir/mbox resource (aka KMail legacy resource) is needed
* some important user visible changes that the Akonadi-port of KMail will bring:
** Working virtual folders (aka search folders)
** IMAP IDLE support
** Caching policies for IMAP (and probably other online resources)
* On Akonadi meeting before the freeze we will decide if Kontact is ready for release with KDE SC 4.5
* kdepim will have to compile and work with kdelibs 4.4
* Git move: need to get involved
 
==== Beyond KDE SC 4.5 ====
 
* Enterprise-ready Kontact
* Explore new UI concepts for Kontact enabled by Akonadi/Nepomuk (for non-enterprise users)
 
 
=== Marketing Meeting ===
 
==== Brainstorming ====
How to improve KDE Marketing
* blogging more
* microblogging
* youtube videos
** [[Promo/youtube|wiki page]] explaining this (Thorsten)
* technorati tagging
* reach outside the KDE community
* write articles in magazines
* good t-shirts
* talk to people at conferences
* talk at Cebit
* organize KDE PIM conferences
* invite people to release events
* KDE beer (subclass of open source beer)
* cute mascot
* /usr groups
* eat your own dogfoot campaign inside of KDE
* KDE PIM slogan
* email cool things to multiplicators
* release songs
* KDE PIM Planet (Tom)
* facebook group
* linkedin group
* own release announcement
* calendar (Akonadi resource)
* up-to-date sexy website
* people of KDE PIM
* SUSE Studio build of PIM apps (Tom)
* demo data
* finishing, publishing, promoting Windows installer
* hire marketing company
* download links for all platforms
* search Engine optimization
* usability studies and doing something about it
* "renaissance" for KDE PIM
* invite supporting members to talk about PIM
* bring partners/journalists to meetings
* contact open-source professor
* talk to students, go to universities
* promote fun job security
* lobbyism
* KDE PIM commit digest (Paul)
* Bank of KDE
* Make demo CDs
* NX demo server
* public Kolab server
* status reports
* feature guide (Tobias)
* KDE forum
* welcome dude (Tom)
* readme.packager (Tobias)
 
==== Targeted Audience ====
* General public
* Potential new developers
* KDE community
* Existing KDE users
 
=== cDash meeting ===
See http://my.cdash.org , http://saegewerk.wald.intevation.org/ and http://treepkg.wald.intevation.org/.
 
=== Summer of Code brainstorming ===
* More resources, including VM images for testing
:* OpenChange
:* OpenDesktop
:* Scalix
:* GroupDav/CalDav
* New reminder daemon with more bling
* SyncEvolution integration
* WebKit port of KMail's composer
* Grantlee port of the message viewer
* Plasma port of the Kontact summary
* Semantic analysis of notes with Scribo
* Python client library for Akonadi
* Social networking concept/component for PIM
* General Kontact (the shell) improvements
:* Unified system tray icon
:* New concept for unified config dialog
:* ...
* Zeitgeist for Kontact
* Other cool Nepomuk-related enhancements for Kontact
* Person-centric PIM view
:* Including transport-independent communication
* Project-centric PIM view
* New logging framework for KDE + UI for that
* 3D E-Mail/Thread viewer


== BOFs ==
== BOFs ==
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* How to create a new project with qtcreator
* How to create a new project with qtcreator
* How to import an existing project (kdepim) into qtcreator
* How to import an existing project (kdepim) into qtcreator
== Meeting notes ==
* Reparenting of items will continue in the same vein as currently. Details on the mailing list. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/26669
== Blogs ==
* [http://www.omat.nl/2010/01/10/kde-pim-meeting-8-day-1-2-3/ Tom Albers: KDE-PIM Meeting #8: Day 1 + 2 + 3.]
* [http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4132 Thorsten's view]
* [http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4136 Kevin Krammer: Osnabrück PIM Meeting 2010]
== Photos ==
* [http://files.kolab.org/local/kde-pim-meeting/ Photos of meeting and flipchart (by Bernhard)]
== Press ==
* [http://dot.kde.org/2010/01/14/annual-osnabrück-pim-meeting-brings-exciting-announcements-and-ambitious-plans Dot article]
* [http://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Kalte-Kaempfe-bei-8.-KDE-PIM-Treffen Linux Magazin] (german only)

Latest revision as of 11:12, 17 January 2010

The annual KDE PIM Meeting Osnabrück 8 took place at the Intevation offices in Osnabrück from Friday, January 8th 2010, to Sunday, January 10th.

Location / Travel Information

Office

Intevation
Neuer Graben 17
49074 Osnabrück
Germany
Phone: +49-541/335083-0

Arrival: see http://www.intevation.de/travel.en.html

Hotel

Dom-Hotel Osnabrück
Kleine Domsfreiheit 5
49074 Osnabrück
Germany
Phone: (+49)541/35835-0 
Fax : (+49)541/35835-35

http://www.dom-hotel-osnabrueck.de


Rooms booked on 2010-01-05 (by emanuel).

  • 11 single rooms
  • 1 double rooms
  • 1 parking

Participants

Non-locals, please add your travel details and accomodation needs (Do you want to share a double room with somebody?) to the following table.

15 participants (2010-01-05):

Name Arrival Departure Accommodation needed
Ingo Klöcker Friday afternoon Sunday evening yes (sharing a room is ok)
Tom Albers Friday afternoon Sunday evening single room, car parking
Volker Krause Friday, 11:51, by train Sunday, 16:08, by train single room
Thorsten Staerk Friday afternoon Sunday evening single room, no car
David Jarvie Friday, 18:06, by train Sunday, 13:53, by train yes
Stephen Kelly Friday, 11:51, by train Sunday, 16:08, by train yes
Sebastian Trueg Friday, afternoon Saturday, evening yes
Bertjan Broeksema Friday, 11:51, by train Sunday, 16:08, by train yes
Patrick Ohly Friday, evening Sunday, afternoon yes
Tobias Koenig Friday, early afternoon Sunday, afternoon yes (sharing a room is ok)
Kevin Krammer Friday afternoon Sunday afternoon yes (sharing a room is ok)
Cornelius Schumacher Friday early afternoon Sunday afternoon yes
Thomas McGuire Friday noon Sunday afternoon yes
Paul Adams Tuesday, 5 Jan Wednesday, 13 Jan No thanks
Georg Greve Tuesday, 5 Jan Some time No thanks
Bernhard Reiter (resident)
Björn Ricks (resident)

Topics

  • Nepomuk integration
    • Review the current feeder agents, Sebastian had some ideas on how to improve them
    • Review search queries used by KMail, esp. full text search does not yet cover everything I think
    • Look into recording usage data (think recently used addresses++)
  • Kontact and Kolab Groupware update
  • KDEPIM on mobile devices like Maemo5/6, Symbian or Windows-Mobile.
  • The future of PIM/groupware regarding privacy and data syncing. (see the last section of http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-windows/2009-November/004359.html)
  • KDEPIM on Windows.
  • Thorsten wants to change back ktimetracker from a kontact part to a standalone-application. What experiences have others made?
  • SyncML support, both as client and server, and how SyncEvolution could be integration into KDE for that
  • sync support beyond SyncML
  • PIM data conversion (Evolution vCard dialect vs. KDE vs. ...)
  • Discuss merging of the akoandi-ports branch
    • KMail data/config migration to Akonadi
    • Identifying other critical parts for 4.5
    • What do we do with bugs/wishes of the pre-Akonadi apps?
  • Making (more) use of CDash
    • my.cdash.org
    • fix our unit tests
    • integration into our workflow (eg. subscribing kde-pim to build errors?)
  • Planning the 4.5 development cycle
    • depend on kdelibs trunk or 4.4?
  • as much discussions, reviews, and presentations as possible
  • Parenting of Akonadi::Items
  • Brainstorming for Summer of Code ideas

Agenda

Details to be decided

Friday

Arrival and start to meet and work

19:00 Dinner in restaurant "Rampendahl", Hasestraße 35

Saturday

08:00 Breakfast

09:00 Meet and work

10:00 #qtcreator_bof

11:00 Kolab Konsortium projects for this year (Bernhard)

12:30 Lunch

14:00 Group photo

14:10 Syncing (Patrick)

16:00 Planning for 4.5 / 4.6

18:00 KDE PIM Marketing

19:00 Dinner in restaurant "Planeta Sol" (Brazilian), Bergstraße 8 (VHS building)

Sunday

08:00 Breakfast

09:00 Begin

10:00 CDash

10:45 GSoC brainstorming

12:30 Lunch

Meeting Minutes

Kolab Konsortium projects

2008: Enterprise4

  • Port of Kontact to KDE 4 running on Linux, Mac OS X (Beta), Windows (Beta); here Beta refers to readiness for production use in enterprises
  • the latest release was in December 2009
  • Kontact for Windows can be downloaded at http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/Client_windows_kontact

2009: Prototype Enterprise5

  • Development of a prototype of Kontact based on Akonadi
  • Funding for the development of the final product has not yet been secured

2010: Komo3 -> Enterprise 5

  • Development/Port of Kontact (Enterprise5 version) to N900 (prototype) and a Windows Mobile 6.5 device (production quality), the device is not yet fixed, maybe an htc touch pro2. More than 80% of the code is expected to be ths same for all five platforms.


Release Plans

KDE SC 4.4

  • in deep freeze
  • KAddressBook based on Akonadi and Nepomuk

KDE SC 4.5

  • will probably be released in August 2010; feature freeze will be in April or May
  • Goal: KMail, KOrganizer, KJots and probably also Akregator based on Akonadi and Nepomuk
  • Akonadi-ports branch will be merged to trunk very soon (next week); most serious open issue: migration of old mail storage; combined maildir/mbox resource (aka KMail legacy resource) is needed
  • some important user visible changes that the Akonadi-port of KMail will bring:
    • Working virtual folders (aka search folders)
    • IMAP IDLE support
    • Caching policies for IMAP (and probably other online resources)
  • On Akonadi meeting before the freeze we will decide if Kontact is ready for release with KDE SC 4.5
  • kdepim will have to compile and work with kdelibs 4.4
  • Git move: need to get involved

Beyond KDE SC 4.5

  • Enterprise-ready Kontact
  • Explore new UI concepts for Kontact enabled by Akonadi/Nepomuk (for non-enterprise users)


Marketing Meeting

Brainstorming

How to improve KDE Marketing

  • blogging more
  • microblogging
  • youtube videos
  • technorati tagging
  • reach outside the KDE community
  • write articles in magazines
  • good t-shirts
  • talk to people at conferences
  • talk at Cebit
  • organize KDE PIM conferences
  • invite people to release events
  • KDE beer (subclass of open source beer)
  • cute mascot
  • /usr groups
  • eat your own dogfoot campaign inside of KDE
  • KDE PIM slogan
  • email cool things to multiplicators
  • release songs
  • KDE PIM Planet (Tom)
  • facebook group
  • linkedin group
  • own release announcement
  • calendar (Akonadi resource)
  • up-to-date sexy website
  • people of KDE PIM
  • SUSE Studio build of PIM apps (Tom)
  • demo data
  • finishing, publishing, promoting Windows installer
  • hire marketing company
  • download links for all platforms
  • search Engine optimization
  • usability studies and doing something about it
  • "renaissance" for KDE PIM
  • invite supporting members to talk about PIM
  • bring partners/journalists to meetings
  • contact open-source professor
  • talk to students, go to universities
  • promote fun job security
  • lobbyism
  • KDE PIM commit digest (Paul)
  • Bank of KDE
  • Make demo CDs
  • NX demo server
  • public Kolab server
  • status reports
  • feature guide (Tobias)
  • KDE forum
  • welcome dude (Tom)
  • readme.packager (Tobias)

Targeted Audience

  • General public
  • Potential new developers
  • KDE community
  • Existing KDE users

cDash meeting

See http://my.cdash.org , http://saegewerk.wald.intevation.org/ and http://treepkg.wald.intevation.org/.

Summer of Code brainstorming

  • More resources, including VM images for testing
  • OpenChange
  • OpenDesktop
  • Scalix
  • GroupDav/CalDav
  • New reminder daemon with more bling
  • SyncEvolution integration
  • WebKit port of KMail's composer
  • Grantlee port of the message viewer
  • Plasma port of the Kontact summary
  • Semantic analysis of notes with Scribo
  • Python client library for Akonadi
  • Social networking concept/component for PIM
  • General Kontact (the shell) improvements
  • Unified system tray icon
  • New concept for unified config dialog
  • ...
  • Zeitgeist for Kontact
  • Other cool Nepomuk-related enhancements for Kontact
  • Person-centric PIM view
  • Including transport-independent communication
  • Project-centric PIM view
  • New logging framework for KDE + UI for that
  • 3D E-Mail/Thread viewer

BOFs

qtcreator bof

How to participate
People who want to participate in this BOF contact Thorsten via chat.
Goal
We want to learn tricks how to use our time most effectively with Qt Creator. We want to learn and document how we best move existing KDE programs towards Qt Creator. As an example, if you do not have a .ui file for your UI, you will not be as effective as you could be with Qt Creator.
Topics
  • What about KDevelop and Eclipse?
  • How to create a new project with qtcreator
  • How to import an existing project (kdepim) into qtcreator

Meeting notes

Blogs

Photos

Press

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